The Medical Cannabis scene in Utah is about so much more than legislation, growers, and dispensaries. It's mainly about patients and their needs. Tim and Chris drive that point home in episode 42 of Utah in the Weeds as they speak with guest and UTTHC patient Chelsea Porter.
Porter is a young professional who deals with depression and other mental health issues. [03:42] Her introduction to marijuana was via recreational use in California and Spain. She used the drug to self-medicate before she even realized that's what she was doing. When the opportunity for Prop 2 in Utah came along, Porter advocated for it. [15:26]
During the discussion, the three talked about a range of topics, including how THC and CBD Medical Cannabis products help Porter deal with her mental health issues. [12:29] Porter spoke of a support system that includes her parents, friends, and coworkers. She also talked about how the Medical Cannabis community being so open about what they do is finally beginning to destigmatize the drug.
Like so many other patients, Porter is still figuring out what works best for her. She has a daily routine that she tracks with a journal. [18:39] As she learns more, she is adjusting her routine accordingly. However, cost is an issue. Bringing that up got Tim and Chris talking about how Medical Marijuana is pretty expensive in Utah. The general hope is that prices come down. [24:18]
One of the more compelling aspects to this particular episode is its underlying theme that Medical Cannabis patients are similar in some ways but quite different in others. [25:41] What works for one doesn't necessarily work for everyone else. Tim, Chris, and Chelsea agreed among themselves that patients should be allowed to try different things in search of whatever works best for them.
Tim Pickett: I think we're going to be Episode 42 with Chelsea.
Chris: Yep, 42. So this is-
Tim Pickett: Episode 42.
Chris: Of Utah in the Weeds.
Tim Pickett: Yes. I'm Tim Pickett with my friend and co-host of 2021.
Chris: How you doing, Tim?
Tim Pickett: I'm doing great, Chris. How are you?
Chris: Well, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. But I'm excited for the episode today. I like talking to patients. Tim, what are your thoughts on some of these patients we've talked to? I think it's been really, really informative to bring them on, hear their stories and find out how similar we are as people and the things we go through are so similar. It's been helpful to relate a little bit. I don't know what your thoughts are.
Tim Pickett: Yeah. I totally agree. I think everybody has a different story and we are building that community that we talked about. That cannabis community in Utah by talking to real patients and not only just people who are involved in the industry and growing and things like that, but the real people, the real end users, because that's why the program was legalized.
Chris: Why it was put together.
Tim Pickett: Yeah. Plus de-stigmatizing the plant requires people to use it and be able to talk about it and the patients are the best for that. So I'm excited. We have Chelsea Porter here today. Chelsea is a patient of ours in Utah. Welcome Chelsea.
Chelsea Porter: Hi. How are you guys?
Chris: We're doing good, we're doing good. We're excited to get to know you and get to know your story. I mean, it's funny, right? You talk about de-stigmatizing it, Tim, you look at Chelsea and you wouldn't think, "Oh, she's a cannabis user." She doesn't fit the stereotype from what I can see. So, it's...
Tim Pickett: No, not at all.
Chelsea Porter: What stereotype do I fit?
Chris: I don't know, I don't know. I'm just trying to-
Tim Pickett: You know, we're looking at you through the computer screen too-
Chris: Yeah. I don't know. Maybe that wasn't even a fair thing to say, but it was just people are so quick to judge who uses cannabis, dirt bags or I don't know.
Chelsea Porter: Yeah. I think it's pretty similar to tattoos. So, you look at people one way that have tattoos and ever-changing these days. Yeah, I never really even thought of myself as a patient, even when I was advocating for Prop 2 to pass. But, such is life, things happen. My reason for using it is for mental health reasons.
Tim Pickett: And you're from here, yeah?
Chelsea Porter: I am. Yeah. I grew up, born and raised in West Point, Utah.
Tim Pickett: Oh wow. Yeah. Right here.
Chelsea Porter: Yes.
Tim Pickett: West Point, there's wasn't a ton of cannabis users there, I bet, when you were growing up.
Chelsea Porter: Only the hood rats. Only the kids that were up to no good. And every once in a while you'd hear about that one kid that grew it and got caught, but.
Chris: The rumor that always went around to scare all the other kids so they wouldn't grow it, right?
Chelsea Porter: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Chris: It’s kinda like “oh yeah, scare ‘em!”
Chelsea Porter: We got our first streetlight, stoplight, when I was in high school, so it was just churches out there. It was nothing but churches and houses.
Tim Pickett: Churches, houses, no stoplights.
Chris: So who introduced you to cannabis then, Chelsea? I mean, was it for fun or for medicine that you got introduced to it at first?
Chelsea Porter: Yeah, so I left Davis County and went to Los Angeles when I was 18 for school. I went to the Fashion Institute out there and obviously drug use was at my school and I used it recreationally there and then more so as I was then living in Spain for a year as an au pair and it was more common to use there recreationally. Then it wasn't until I came home some things had happened in life that gave me some PTSD and I was dealing with those sorts of undiagnosed symptoms actually and what I thought was just anxiety. So I was self-treating that way, but I was going to California and picking it up. I was going to Colorado or finding it from anyone who had a hookup here. I didn't necessarily have one myself.
Chelsea Porter: Yeah, that's how I started using it and just self-medicating essentially. And then when Prop 2 passed and things started opening up this year, that's when I started looking into actually doing things legally.
Tim Pickett: When did you realize you were using it to... Was there a time when you started to realize, "Wait, I feel better. I'm not just using this recreationally." Like, "I feel better when I use this," or "My PTSD is not triggered." Or did you have a —
Chelsea Porter: Yeah, so.
Tim Pickett: ... a definitive moment?
Chelsea Porter: Yeah, one of the things that happened to me was I would have really vivid nightmares, night terrors. So I used it at first to just go to sleep. I guess people who listen, maybe I'm different, but usually when I first started using weed it was like a nap. You just expected a nap to happen right after you use it.
Chris: Oh, yeah.
Chelsea Porter: You don't really know how to handle the heaviness of your body or be functioning. So I would use it as a sleep aid and then it got to the point where... So I had a really great roommate and she would essentially carry me up to my bedroom from the couch. I'd come home from work, where I was busy and enjoying the distraction, come home and not really be able to sit with my thoughts and feelings and things and so I would just essentially sedate myself with my vape pen. So that's when I knew, I'm like, "Oh, okay. This is me avoiding things that need to be addressed instead of just going out and having fun."
Chris: What do your family and friends, I mean, are they pretty supportive of your cannabis use or is it just kind of quiet or how's that working out?
Chelsea Porter: So, it's been an interesting path. I haven't talked to everyone about it. I only told my mom late last year that I was using it because my parents are both really active in the church, the Mormon church. So I didn't know how they would feel about it. I knew my dad had partaken in the '70s, but I didn't know to what extent or anything. So I knew that he may think that's the way I'm using it solely and have some stigma tied to it in his brain, as well as with my mom.
Chelsea Porter: My friends were pretty aware as some of them were people I was doing it with recreationally. But I've been a lot more open about just my life in general because right before I started self-medicating to the point where I was just on the couch, I was actually put into UNI for my mental health. That's the mental hospital at the University of Utah here.
Chelsea Porter: I knew that that was when I was going to stop faking how I felt and telling people lies and things like that and if they couldn't handle where I was, then they didn't need to be in my team. Not everyone can handle it and that's okay, but I needed people that were going to be able to do whatever I needed them to do for me so that I could have that support so I wasn't suicidal anymore. So that I've just been straightforward, I'm like, "This is what helps me." I'm back on Zoloft too, which helps in a different aspect. I do feel like marijuana just gives me that, you guys have talked about it in a few episodes too, just kind of like that bliss feeling.
Chelsea Porter: So it's almost like a break from the constant sadness that I feel, even though things are going well in life. I just have clinical depression and so I really enjoy when I'm able to just sit, even in my own apartment, hang out with my dog in quarantine and feel uplifted and good instead of like, "Oh, this sucks, but I don't know why."
Tim Pickett: Chelsea, I've read your article. Okay.
Chelsea Porter: Which article?
Tim Pickett: Love What Matters,-
Chelsea Porter: Okay, yeah.
Tim Pickett: ... this is you, right?
Chelsea Porter: This is me.
Tim Pickett: You want to talk about this a little bit? This is a bit like it's kind of a big deal. It's not that you're not forthcoming about this. Talk to me a little bit about this article. Do you want to talk about it?
Chelsea Porter: Yeah, I do. Sorry, I'm getting emotional. So I was born with one finger on my left hand. I'm so sorry. Was not expecting this to be this heavy right off the bat. So I was born with one finger on my left hand, which I've come to call it my limb difference. I grew up calling it a deformity and a disability, a handicap, all those things.
Chelsea Porter: I was blessed with the family I have and the people around me that stuck up for me when things got tough because there's a lot of... Stop crying. There's a lot of really good people out in the world that really make up for the few crappy ones that you come in contact with. I think that article has such an emotional tie to me because it's basically just me. The whole of like my worst moments in life in one article, but so many great things have happened.
Chelsea Porter: I'm part of a community now, thanks to social media allowing me to get in contact with others who have limb differences, who just know what it's like to go through the day-to-day struggles of not being able to open your bag of cereal or screwing open the milk. It's just the little things like that that can pile up, especially on a bad day and just kind of break your back.
Chelsea Porter: Depression has run in my family though so I've just had that in my genetics. Then it's the trials that go along with living with a limb difference and just everyone has issues. We all go through hard times, but I think my limb difference definitely played a big part in my mental health as an adult and as a child.
Tim Pickett: I'm sure it played a role the whole time, right? There's these functional things that you talk about, opening the jar or things like that. But that's just a piece because then you have to leave home as a child. Go to school, that's a whole other... The social aspect of life with a limb difference like yours is-
Chelsea Porter: Yes.
Tim Pickett: Yeah, everybody has their challenges. Not everybody is born with a limb difference. So don't discount that.
Chelsea Porter: Okay. Yeah. I do think I am very fortunate though to have been born with it instead of lost my other digits in an accident. I am grateful for that aspect, but you're right. I shouldn't discount my difference. I shouldn't do that.
Tim Pickett: Well, like I have my struggles, but I don't have yours.
Chelsea Porter: Right.
Tim Pickett: So, this is really a cannabis podcast, but this is such a huge part of how you got involved. I think I would imagine in this cannabis world from the... Here's the real life of our podcasting, you can hear my dog in the background probably. This cannabis world, did you-
Chelsea Porter: How do we tie them together?
Tim Pickett: Yeah. How do you tie these two things together?
Chelsea Porter: I said this to a coworker. She says, "You should say that in the podcast." Because it was unintentional, but it goes hand in hand to me, my mental health, my limb difference and the medicine I take to make my life good. Because I have mental health issues, because some of those stem from being born with a limb difference and actively being an advocate for limb differences, it will impact my mental health and the things that come up with that. However, if it wasn't for cannabis, I wouldn't be dealing as well as I am today.
Tim Pickett: That's a big statement, I think, for people to hear because cannabis has been kept from us for so long as a medicine, right? As a legitimate medicine. So here's somebody who grows up here in Utah. Is born with a limb difference. Goes through traumatic events in your late teens, early 20s. Thinks about all kinds of really terrible things to do to yourself, frankly, and yet finds a natural, a plant-based medicine, that's relatively safe.
Chelsea Porter: Yeah.
Tim Pickett: And you can use it and feel better.
Chelsea Porter: Not only that, it's helped me get out of a really terrible eating disorder because of the munchie aspects that comes from cannabis.
Chris: Wait, how did it help? It helped you? It seems like it would make you want to eat more of the food there.
Chelsea Porter: So, my eating disorder was not eating.
Chris: Oh, not eating.
Chelsea Porter: Yeah. So, when I'd get extra sad or extra anxious, my appetite would go away and then I just was malnourished. It gives you just like that guilt-free, you don't even remember until you see all the wrappers the next morning, the damage you did.
Chelsea Porter: No, it helps me, like whenever I was like, "Hey, you don't want to eat, but you got to and you don't want to make yourself feel sick." So we just need a little bit of cannabis so that we can go eat that big meal and feel good. Or it's not even a big, it seemed like a big meal. It was just sort of regular-sized meal.
Tim Pickett: Chris, did you know this, that on average cannabis users are thinner? They have a lower BMI than non-cannabis users.
Tim Pickett: Meaning, yeah. We're not fat people. We don't overeat. It's a weird thing I like to bring up when people are really worried about eating a lot. It works, it's so good for nausea and for getting the munchies and certain strains are better than others for adding that too. But, in general, it doesn't tend to make people gain weight unless it's something on your mind or it's something that you're using cannabis for.
Chelsea Porter: Right.
Tim Pickett: There's a little Tim's tidbits right there. Chelsea, what do you do now? Were you involved in Prop 2?
Chelsea Porter: Yeah. I mean, I, at least, advocated for it. I voted for it. Talked about it very vocally on all my social media platforms. I mean, that's just how I was raised, was encouraged to advocate for those things you believe in. But yeah, I would like to think that I had a part in passing that law.
Chris: Did you think it would pass in Utah? I mean, I didn't. I didn't think Utah would ever have medical cannabis.
Chelsea Porter: I definitely was surprised because, I mean, we're all hopeful, right? But then, you're like, "Well, they're going to do, what they're going to do." That episode you guys have with Stormy Simon who talks about how like, why didn't we just vote on the edited version of the bill? That would have been fair.
Tim Pickett: Yeah. It doesn't totally seem fair. What changes would you like to see now, Chelsea?
Chelsea Porter: I would like to see more conditions on the list. I think it shouldn't just be to things that other people have deemed severe enough. I've gone through that on my own trying to get a prosthesis. Why are people with two fully functioning hands trying to build me a hand that they think will be best? You know what I mean? They have no idea what it's like living my life and why are people who are claiming to be so mentally stable resisting medicine that is proven to help people with X, Y and Z? Why don't they get it?
Tim Pickett: You make a very good argument there. Like you guys, you have no idea if cannabis will help me. Why do you get to decide?
Chris: Yeah, why do they?
Chelsea Porter: And that's the thing we're learning about it, is that it's impacting everyone so differently so why not give that person the option to see if it will help them?
Chris: I couldn't agree more.
Tim Pickett: I think Chris and I, we're fans of that right there. I totally agree with that. Here is a relatively safe substance that you can try and if it works okay, then that's fine. And it doesn't work for everybody. I'm sure you could come up with a couple of times when or a couple of scenarios when you wouldn't want to take cannabis.
Chris: Isn't that what they do though with prescriptions? It's like, "Here, take this. Let's see if this works. Let's see if this works." Right, like-
Tim Pickett: It's exactly what they do.
Chelsea Porter: But then it comes with a whole 30 second commercial of things that are going to happen to you that are really bad.
Chris: Yeah. But nobody says anything about those things, right?
Tim Pickett: No. Yeah, not at all. So, what's your favorite? What do you use now for... What's your regimen? What do you use, Chelsea?
Chris: What's your setup?
Tim Pickett: What's your setup?
Chelsea Porter: It kind of varies.
Tim Pickett: What do we ask? Chris, is that it? What's your setup?
Chris: I don't know, it sounded good.
Chelsea Porter: What's your concoction?
Tim Pickett: Yeah, what's your concoction?
Chelsea Porter: It just depends on where I'm at financially because it is quite expensive. I feel like it ebbs and flows, what I'm treating with things that are going on in my life. I use it every single night to keep the night terrors away. When I stopped using it for a period that's when they started to come back.
Chelsea Porter: I worked retail during COVID during holidays. So, I came home a few days just completely busted mentally and just feeling like, "I don't know how I'm going to go back to work tomorrow." It's just crazy working at a mall during all of this and as a manager as well and so you have that responsibility of a lot of people and that weighs on you mentally. Being away from family over holidays was a lot.
Chelsea Porter: So, what I'm using now is depending on how bad I'm feeling. Edibles tend to do a better trick for me just because it's a little bit stronger and lasts a little bit longer. Sometimes I'll pair that with my vape pen because I need a little bit more instant help than the hour and a half to two hours it takes for that edible to kick in. Then I have my tincture that I use every day before I go to work, just because it's very low in THC, but high in CBD. It just helps me get out of bed, get showered, go to work, and do the things that we got to do to be functioning adults.
Tim Pickett: How did you come to this regimen? How long did it take you to decide, "Okay, this is what I do."
Chelsea Porter: It was pretty quick, just because I already had one because-
Tim Pickett: Mm-hmm (affirmative), and you already knew how to use cannabis in general?
Chelsea Porter: Yeah. I will say the biggest difference I found was that the products I'm getting from the dispensaries here, because it's medicinal versus recreational dispensaries out in Southern California, for example, I just have higher CBD in my stuff now and I really can see the impact from that instead of it just being kind of like a mental escape.
Tim Pickett: Yeah. You're talking about using high dose CBD to lower dose THC.
Chelsea Porter: Yeah.
Tim Pickett: Especially when you talk about a morning dose. That seems to work better for you in general. We've talked about this before, but it seems to be CBD, the more psychological the issue, the more CBD helps.
Tim Pickett: With THC. The more physical, this is totally anecdotal, but it really simplifies things to start with, I think. Is the more physical the ailment, the more THC is your go-to. The more mental your ailment, the more CBD you need to mix in just because of the way CBD kind of works as the buffer, as a rule of thumb.
Tim Pickett: So, I guess, I'm not super surprised. Sometimes I'm surprised when people say things that follow what I think and follow kind of the book and the evidence. I'm like, "Oh wow, that's in the book," but it shouldn't surprise us, I guess. Do you have a favorite strain?
Chelsea Porter: No. I'm going to be so honest that it's probably going to be embarrassing when this comes out, but I couldn't really tell you what a strain is. I am still so, so new to actually educating myself on the things I'm using instead of just getting my hands on whatever I can. But I feel like I learn so much when I'm at the dispensary at the clinic, but that I don't quite know what information to trust on the internet. If it's not from you guys' websites.
Chelsea Porter: Quite frankly, I wish I had more money to spend in the dispensaries to figure out what would work best for me because I know there's like, I go to WholesomeCo in Bountiful, I've never been to any other dispensaries. I just instantly felt welcomed and loved there and so I just have continued to go there.
Chelsea Porter: I know there's a flower that helps with PTSD symptoms. But then I've also been looking into those vaporizers, because I'd like to get more towards those instead of the vape pens. Because I could get more of those medical properties from the plant at the different temperatures and doing it that way versus, I feel like the high temperatures of the pens almost burn the back of my throat or I can feel it in my lungs later in the day, so just trying to get to a better way of breaking down the plant to help me in a better way.
Chelsea Porter: Honestly, listening to the podcast has helped educate me a ton and just the more I go to the dispensary. But then again, you have to pay cash there and if you just don't have it in your bank account, you have to use what you have at home and just make things work.
Chris: I get that. I've been there, yeah.
Tim Pickett: Yeah, I totally get it. It's like I have no response to that. I'm sorry.
Chelsea Porter: It's okay.
Tim Pickett: It is. It's expensive. And a vaporizer, a good vaporizer, you'll love listening to Valerie from last week's episode talk a lot about vaporizers and what types and why the different temperatures. And you're right, I say treat the dispensary more like a convenience store, more like a Maverick than a Costco. You don't go buy something that's... Go buy a little bit and then try it out and see if you like it. Keep a journal.
Chris: That's a good idea.
Chelsea Porter: Yeah.
Chris: It's a good idea. Everybody should be keeping a journal for this stuff.
Chelsea Porter: I've been keeping a journal with the tinctures.
Tim Pickett: Yeah. A journal with the tinctures?
Chelsea Porter: Yeah. Instead of, but that's only because I am completely gone by the time I'm done with my pen or an edible. But the tincture, I can track because I'm going to work and I'm up and I'm functioning. Whereas the pen and the edibles are more for like sedation and severe calming. So I know that those are going to do what they need to do, but I need to monitor the dosage and that for the tincture for me to go to work. Can't be walking into work running a team high, you know?
Tim Pickett: No. I mean, you could. Some people do it. Maybe you could run a country. This is so fascinating, Chris.
Tim Pickett: Because I love the different people that we get to talk to.
Chris: It's interesting because they all have a difference, but then, like I said in the beginning of this, we all have similarities.
Tim Pickett: Yeah. So with Chelsea, I mean, I'm fascinated because you're not a newbie, right? You know what you're doing. Obviously you don't need to know the names of the strains. You just need to have access to good products at a reasonable price, obviously.
Chelsea Porter: Yeah.
Tim Pickett: And that's now what you get. It sounds like you really like the consistency of being able to go to Wholesome and get the same thing every time. Know what you're getting.
Chelsea Porter: And the staff there is just so friendly. I think that's a huge part of the whole experience. I even said it on a video for you guys' Instagram. I was walking into some place similar to a place that you'd walk into maybe on base. With people with button up business shirts and slacks and I was going to have to prove why I have PTSD and need marijuana to get me through the night. That's what I was expecting and I walked in with open arms, diversity and just casual people who are there to openly discuss mental health without any stigma. "What can we do to help you? Here's how you do it." They walk you through the process and then you go to the dispensary. It's guarded with guards and it's kind of intimidating. Those guards are the nicest people I've ever met. And everyone just was so kind walking you in because you look like you've never been in one before, like you don't know how it's going, where to go. The first three times I forgot I needed to get money out for cash-
Tim Pickett: Do they have an ATM there?
Chelsea Porter: They do.
Tim Pickett: I think they do.
Chelsea Porter: Mm-hmm (affirmative). They would be like, "You can bring your dog in." And I'm like, "Nah, I'll just get my stuff." It's so nice. They're so nice there. It's almost like every time I go back to get my medicine, I get to see my friends. Maybe they don't feel the same way that I do.
Chris: No, Wholesome's great. Wholesome's great. They do have great people. Great location.
Tim Pickett: Yeah, absolutely.
Chris: What would you tell somebody that say is listening to this podcast, maybe they're on the fence of trying medical cannabis, trying it out, but they're kind of not sure. What would you tell them? Do you have any words of wisdom or advice or anything, Chelsea?
Chelsea Porter: You're not alone. I think lots of groups of people need to be told they're not alone. There's always people out there that you could talk to that have been in a similar situation as you. It's kind of a nerve-racking thing.
Chelsea Porter: We're making history right now. We get to be a part of that and pave the way as well. But it takes courage and bravery to be a part of something like that because it's so much easier to just go along with what everyone else thinks. Go to your doctor, get prescribed Lortab, whatever it is. You may get addicted, you may not, but that's still socially acceptable than to be smoking weed or ingesting weed, however you're doing it because of the stigma behind it. When really opioids are killing people left and right here and it's just devastating.
Chelsea Porter: I think you always have someone, even if your community that you're in feels like you're going to get kicked out or judged for it, whatever that community is, there's one waiting for you. We want you to be well. Whatever that looks like.
Chris: That's well put.
Tim Pickett: There's always a community waiting for you that wants you to feel better.
Chelsea Porter: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Chris: I think, I don't know, that's a good place to probably even end the episode, Tim. I don't know. What do you think? Unless, do you have any other for her or do you have anything more you want to mention, Chelsea, while the microphone's still hot here or anything you want to talk about?
Chelsea Porter: I'm sorry I cried.
Chris: No, don't don't apologize. That's-
Tim Pickett: No, don't be. I'm sorry that I bring... I wanted to get into the conversation a little bit before and see if you were going to bring it up.
Chelsea Porter: I honestly didn't. I had just had so much on my list of things I wanted to talk about that it kind of spaced, honestly. I think I've touched all of them at this point though.
Tim Pickett: That's great. It's been fun having you on.
Chris: Yeah. Is there any way, like if a listener wanted to connect with you, is there a possible way they could connect with you? An email address or website or anything?
Chelsea Porter: Yeah, so I am pretty active on Instagram. So, if they wanted to follow me, I'm @who_the_chel, with underscores in between all of that.
Tim Pickett: Okay.
Chelsea Porter: I've been talking more and more about my limb difference and just giving people a look into that because it's not who I am, but it's a big part of who I am. I want to be able to educate people and help make the world a nicer place for kids like me so that if I can help kids avoid situations I've been in, because of ignorance, that I can do that for those kids and that would be enough for me. As well as, I just feel like I've kind of had enough shit handed to me in life that I can be an advocate for a few things and that's sexual assault victims. That's mental health awareness and suicide prevention. I think the more we talk about these things that are difficult to talk about the better off we'll all be.
Chris: Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. How can-
Tim Pickett: Absolutely.
Chris: ... listeners connect with you, Tim, if they're interested in finding out more about cannabis or getting their medical card or any of that good stuff?
Tim Pickett: Yeah. Utahmarijuana.org is the place to find out about the Medical Cannabis Program here in Utah, more information about how to become a patient or what conditions qualify like Chelsea's. Also, we're putting up Utahmarijuana.org/podcast will be the new home of Utah in the Weeds from an online standpoint. That should be rip-roaring ready to go soon.
Chris: I'm excited for that. I'm really excited. That'll be easy for everybody to access everything and listen to some of the back episodes because, I mean, especially for the new people that are finding this podcast. Go through some of the back episodes. I mean, there's like what, 40 something before this one. So there's some good conversations in there. A lot to learn. So go listen to some of those.
Chris: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts if that's how you listen and go check out my other podcast, I am Salt Lake Podcast, iamsaltlake.com. We've been having some fun conversations. Just go check out the website, go check that out. Yeah, subscribe to this podcast, Utah in the Weeds, if you haven't because we're here every week. We've been doing a pretty good job of that, Tim. We haven't missed a week.
Tim Pickett: No. I think we're well on our way now.
Chris: Do you remember when we were missing weeks, all those in the beginning? It was like, "Gosh, we missed another week." It was like-
Tim Pickett: I know. It's getting a little easier and it's just as fun, but we've definitely started putting some episodes down.
Chris: Yeah, yeah.
Tim Pickett: So I'm excited about 2021, putting all these out.
Chris: Very excited. Any final words, Chelsea, or anything you want to say?
Chelsea Porter: No, thank you so much for having me on.
Chris: You bet.
Tim Pickett: All right. Everybody stay safe out there.