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Cannabis patient Justin Wright is your typical family man. He goes to work, earns a paycheck, and loves his wife and son. He uses cannabis to manage chronic pain that lingers as a result of injuries sustained in a 2001 bike accident. His conversation with Tim and Chris in episode 44 of Utah in the Weeds offers a good look into the life of the average Utah cannabis patient.

Like so many others, Wright was afraid to try Medical Cannabis due to his experience growing up in the late 1980s and early 90s. But he eventually reached the point where managing his chronic pain with ibuprofen wasn’t cutting it. [02:52] The pain was making him irritable. It was harming his family life. To Wright’s surprise, his mother recommended he see a QMP about starting Medical Cannabis.

Wright has been a steady user for a year now. Throughout the podcast, he talked about the various strains he uses and how he takes them. [08:19] He also discussed tolerance with Tim and Chris. His doctor educated him on the issue; he learned more about it through his own research. He now utilizes a monthly 72-hour fast to control his tolerance. [16:44]

Throughout the podcast, both Tim and Chris were impressed by Wright’s attitude toward Medical Cannabis. They asked him about how it helps him at work. [30:04] They talked about how his family life has improved since he started using. [14:56] The trio even covered the sensitive topic of using at home when children are present. [32:58]

Episode 44 is a fascinating discussion that would benefit anyone who wants to learn what Medical Cannabis is like for the average patient. As a family man and software engineer in his late 30s, Justin Wright is an excellent example of your average patient using Medical Cannabis to relieve chronic pain.

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Podcast Transcript

Chris Holified: All right. Let’s welcome everybody out today to a brand new episode of Utah in the Weeds. This is episode 44 and my name is Chris Holifield.

Tim Pickett: And I’m Tim Pickett, a medical cannabis expert with Utahmarijuana.org. And you can find our podcast at utahmarijuana.org/podcast. Today, Chris, we talk to Justin Wright, a cannabis patient, super great conversation. And what struck me was, he’s really just a family man, a software developer, and he talks a lot about finding your way to cannabis from traditional medicine. It was just a good conversation.

Chris Holified: What I really liked is the advice he gave to people that might be on the fence of trying cannabis. Talks about the importance of just at least giving it a try. He talks about tolerance, which is something.

Tim Pickett: Yeah. He talks a lot about how he was very concerned about tolerance and overusing cannabis and what his program is like to keep his tolerance low and keep his costs down. And you know what? A shout out to Corey Anden, Dr. Anden up in Ogden, it sounds like she is his physician and did a great job at educating him. Anyway, I’m excited for people to listen to this interview.

Chris Holified: Yeah. And he’s a listener of the podcast. So that was fun to bring a listener on the podcast and kind of hear what they had to say about it. So give this podcast episode a listen, reach out to Tim, Utahmarijuana.org, if you have any questions about cannabis, I know the website, you guys got lots of blog articles there as well. And then you can listen to my other podcast, I am Salt Lake at, Iamsaltlake.com, but call our voicemail number up as well, (385) 215-9557. That is the Utah in the Weeds voicemail number. We would love it if you called in, maybe you have a question about cannabis. Maybe you want to know when a new a pharmacy is opening up. Maybe you want to know where Tim shops and buys all of his cool glasses. I don’t know.

Tim Pickett: That’s right. Or get some swag, some Utah in the Weeds swag.

Chris Holified: Oh yeah, there we go. There we go. I don’t have anything else to say about Justin. Should we jump into the conversation?

Tim Pickett: Yeah, Justin Wright everybody.

Chris Holified: All right. Enjoy the conversation.

Justin Wright: It’s like I told my wife I’m going to be on a podcast because I smoke pot and she was like, that’s awesome. Well, I don’t smoke it.

Tim Pickett: That’s a really good place to start. I told my wife, I was going to be on the podcast because I smoke pot.

Chris Holified: Well, should we start with her or should we start right at the beginning of what got you into — The levels sound good.

Justin Wright: Sure.

Chris Holified: We’re ready to rock and roll here. So let’s start right with you. When did you get introduced to cannabis for the first time? Were you younger? Was it recreational or was it medicine?

Justin Wright: So I experimented once or twice in high school, didn’t really have a good experience. So I just kind of moved from that point. It wasn’t until 2019, November 2019 when I was just about had it with my issues. I suffer from chronic neck pain, from a bike accident back in 2001 and I landed headfirst and my helmet saved my life. So after that point, my life was never the same. It always kind of, I remember I was listening to Dave Matthews, Busted Stuff album for the first time I got out of my bed and I felt crooked, it was the most gnarliest feeling. Something feels off and my eyes were cloudy and my mom, she correlated to the bike accident. So from a young age, from 22 and stuff, I was in and out of chiropractors, massage therapists, physical therapy, all that kind of stuff. And when I became a college student, you’re young, so I didn’t really take it too serious. I was just popping ibuprofen all the time. And I got married and things were good, but we noticed our relationship was just degrading and I was always irritated.

Chris Holified: Your relationship with your wife?

Justin Wright: Yeah. I would snap and get irritated. After my 30s, that’s when we noticed that something was off with me. We know now that I probably was just dealing with pain, your body becomes so accustomed to just dealing with.

Chris Holified: It becomes normal.

Justin Wright: Yeah, it becomes normal. And I would wake up in the morning and I feel okay some of the times. And then you’d go throughout the day and just sitting, writing code or doing whatever. By the end of the day, all I’m doing is just laying on a neck roller playing video games trying to relieve pressure from my neck. And so by 2019 November, I about hadn’t, just venting to my mom about how bad this sucks. And she was the one that poked me. She was like, I was browsing around with cannabis and I noticed that there was this Dr. Anden in Ogden, I think you should go check her out. And that’s what started it. So I never even entertained the thought of using cannabis. And so I started researching it and I was skeptical. My whole impression that it was a kid of the 90s. So there was propaganda, marijuana is going to make you dumb. It’s going to screw you up for life.

Tim Pickett: I still have that pamphlet.

Chris Holified: You’re going to be doing heroin.

Tim Pickett: How old are you?

Justin Wright: I’ll be 39 this month.

Chris Holified: So you say similar to us.

Tim Pickett: Similar high school stuff. I still have the pamphlet that my kids are going to be deformed. It’s going to be the monster.

Justin Wright: The Harold and Kumar movies. Marijuana kills. And they’re just laughing. After my first time using cannabis, I could finally relate to that movie because I’m like, yeah, dude, I was lied to as a child.

Chris Holified: Don’t you feel so upset after you’ve been lied to, especially with cannabis. I’m like, come on man. This is what I’ve been lied to?

Tim Pickett: Of all the things you could lie to me about, this is what you chose?

Justin Wright: It was night and day difference the first time I tried it, but yeah, so I explored it. I set up an appointment and I went to go see her in January 2020. And let me tell you, that was a life changing event because COVID just hit. And once COVID hit, I couldn’t go to a chiropractor. I couldn’t go to a massage therapist. I was developing digestive problems because I was taking so much ibuprofen. My doctor I was seeing when I mentioned maybe looking into medical cannabis and stuff, she was like, Oh no, just drink milk and you’ll be fine with ibuprofen and stuff. And at that point I was like, really?

Tim Pickett: That’s not good advice.

Justin Wright: Yeah, man. So I went to a Dr. Anden and she was like an angel. Her whole entire staff was very professional. And I had no idea what to expect. You’re going to a weed doctor or something.

Chris Holified: Oh, she’s great.

Tim Pickett: She’s great. And her office is nice. It’s in a professional building. And she’s been doing physical rehab medicine for a long, long time.

Justin Wright: Yes. There was nothing but positive experience visiting her for the first time. And she really takes care of her patients throughout the whole entire Utah laws changing and everything like that. I know it’s been really hectic on her staff and patients alone not knowing what’s going on. And so it was really good to kind of feel I was under her wing kind of thing. And I wasn’t bad for using this. And she actually teaches her patients how to use it correctly. When I went in there, I’m like, so do I smoke it because to be honest with you, I don’t really like smoking marijuana. It has a really harsh vape that burns my throat and they instructed all types of different forms of how to use it, how much that kind of stuff. And so I went to Wendover right after her visit and went shopping and then came home.

Justin Wright: And I remember I tried, what strain was it? It was a cart. It was a vape cart. And it was blue dream. And immediately when I did that, it felt like I was 20 years old again. And I was standing up straight and it was like, because sometimes you’d go to a chiropractor and they adjust you in everything and you feel good afterwards, the pressure goes away and everything, but you get right back in your car and you turn the wrong way or something and your bones go. And then you’re like, wow, 60 bucks down the drain. Here I’m paying 60 bucks for 3.5 grams. And it lasts me for a week and a half, two weeks.

Chris Holified: Oh, wow. You can get it to last you a while.

Justin Wright: So after Dr. Anden I started YouTube and stuff. And I found out Dynavap. And although Utah law is very strict on combustion and you can’t use flames. Dynavap came out with this little induction electric heater that you can use with the Dynavap pens. And so that’s become my daily driver because I can set that down to 0.05 grams per bowl, and I can get three or four charges out of that and totally extract so much out of my herb. It’s awesome. And it doesn’t get you, sometimes man, I’ve used the tiny mite and one hit with that thing, it was like, it sent me, I was couch locked but with this micro dosing, I feel like I’m really productive.

Chris Holified: Nice. Do you have a favorite strain or what are you enjoying?

Justin Wright: Yeah dude. So I tend to try to just buy a variety of strains because I noticed that your body builds up tolerance to different strains over time. So that’s why I’ve always been hesitant to buy one ounce of just one strain or something. So I tried one that I got in Wendover called Connor’s Comfort, and I think it’s almost borderline of a type two because it has a very high CBD, almost 1:1 ratio. And that kind of got me experimenting with, I got some CBD from a farm up in Oregon. What are they called? Shoot.

Chris Holified: It doesn’t matter.

Justin Wright: Anyways. So I started blending some CBD in with the THC to kind of remove the heady effects sometimes. But Connor’s Comfort’s a really good strain. Right now, I’m really digging White 99 that I got in Beehive pharmacy. And then they also have the purple Afghan Kush. Those two strains are really good. The only other strain that really stands out that I really liked was lemon cake that I got in Wendover. That one was cool.

Chris Holified: So you got your license in November and then pharmacies started opening up here in March. Well, Dragonfly did. Have you found it to be pretty easy to get stuff here locally at the pharmacies?

Justin Wright: No, not at all. Several times I went up to Dragonfly and all they had was Carts and I stopped using Carts because there was a scare. So I started educating myself. And while I do believe that they’re safe, when you get them from Dragonfly Wellness or a reputable medical cannabis dispensary. I didn’t like how it felt in my lungs. I like to run. And so I noticed that I’d get pain in my lungs. So I stopped using those right away for me. And I’ve basically been just using dry flower.

Tim Pickett: Yeah. The Carts are high temp. They are high temp, more higher temperature than vaporizing flour. And then the additives. We just talked to Kyle and talking about the additives to the Carts and how they can build up in your lungs and cause some trouble. Has the lack of available flower gotten better? Do you feel like?

Justin Wright: Sorry. I’ve totally specified on the original question.

Chris Holified: No, I was just curious if you were finding hard to find flower.

Justin Wright: For all of 2020, it was a challenge. It was a race to the dispensary, who could get there first to get their flower. So I just basically said, you know what? Dr. Anden says, cool, if I go to Wendover. So I kind of avoided the dispensary’s for almost six months here. And I just made runs to Wendover, Deep Roots Harvest, really nice dispensary. And they took care of me. But now that these last two times I hit up Beehive pharmacy.

Tim Pickett: They’re great.

Justin Wright: Yeah. They’re great.

Tim Pickett: I like the vibe down there. It just, I don’t know. I like Dragonfly, I like them all. But Beehive definitely is one of my favorites.

Justin Wright: Dragonflies Sunday driver is —

Tim Pickett: It’s the favorite of 2020.

Justin Wright: I always have to put in Beatles and listen to that. But Beehive pharmacy, I think it’s Beehive and Dragonfly are my two go-tos.

Chris Holified: And I was going to say, which one is your main, but I guess you because you probably have a card obviously letters aren’t totally, I mean, you can go anywhere now, that’s the beautiful thing.

Justin Wright: We just moved up to this Millcreek area six months ago. And so it’s really easy to get to either one of those right now.

Chris Holified: You moved out from Utah County, right?

Justin Wright: Yeah.

Chris Holified: Was that, was that tough being a cannabis user in Utah County?

Justin Wright: It was a secret.

Chris Holified: It’d be a secret most places, I guess. I mean, sadly, but I was just curious if you ran into any obstacles in Utah County, even though, we’ve talked about there’s more patients in Utah County.

Justin Wright: There are, there still are more patients in Utah County than there are here.

Tim Pickett: As far as legal cannabis users.

Justin Wright: As far as legal cannabis users. Yeah. So I didn’t really have much of an issue because at that time I was just going to Wendover. So I’d just wake up on a Friday or Saturday morning and go and then come back. And my wonderful neighbors never even knew. I was just this little.

Chris Holified: And that’s the way it should be, private anyway.

Tim Pickett: Yeah, you’re just this family man.

Justin Wright: It’s until people can actually throw away all of the negative vibes that are associated with this, that I feel like we’re the ones that have to be in the closet. It’s kind of weird. I was talking to someone at Dr. Anden’s office. I remember having this conversation. I can’t remember who, but she said we shouldn’t have to be ashamed to use the flower. We should be more embarrassed if we’re using opioids or some kind of prescribed medicine. It’s kind of funny, people talk about using opioids like it’s no big deal.

Tim Pickett: You make a really good point. I can open a pill bottle. I can open a prescription pill bottle anywhere.

Justin Wright: And use it at work.

Tim Pickett: Yep. And use it at work. And there’s really, nobody’s going to look down on me for whatever prescription medication I have. I open a little jar of a cannabis flower, you can smell it. And then instantly, everybody knows and you just —

Chris Holified: Oh, Tim’s got weed.

Tim Pickett: Tim is grinding his weed.

Justin Wright: Yup. And then there’s the push of, I bet he’s a really kind of slacker kind of.

Tim Pickett: Right. Then, Oh, well for the next few hours, you’re going to be out. Right. You can’t work. You can’t function. You’re just going to be lazy. Do you find that with your family?

Chris Holified: Yeah. Let’s talk about family life.

Tim Pickett: What’s the family life?

Justin Wright: My marriage has never been better. 2020, I get it, it was not a good year. Lots of horrible things. Lots of unpredictable things happened, but on a personal level being quarantined. I have a friend that’s a lawyer and he said his divorce rates, his divorce clients have just skyrocketed this year. But me and my wife we’re just little lovebirds because my kid will basically be like, dad, you’re getting kind of cranky. I think you need to go take some medicine and I’ll go take a couple puffs here or there. And we’re just super chill. I can’t express how grateful I am for cannabis, because I couldn’t go to any other type of medical treatment for the longest time. And it’s also helped keep our house’s sanity, because I’m not irritated.

Tim Pickett: It sounds like you had almost a personality change because of the chronic pain.

Justin Wright: Yeah. So I kept on telling my wife because we almost got divorced a couple of times in our marriage and I told her I’m like, I remember just being the nice person. I don’t remember ever fighting this much. This is not me. And I feel like the true me has come through with using cannabis in moderation.

Chris Holified: So you feel it’s managing your pain then? Is that kind of what you’re?

Justin Wright: Very much so. It’s the best out of anything I’ve tried for the last 10 years. No, I’m sorry. 20, Oh my gosh I’m old. For the last 18 years, it’s probably been the number one most effective medicine. It’s also helped clear up all my digestive problems that ibuprofen, I’m not sure if I should say that.

Chris Holified: No, you sound like you’re dealing with some of the similar stuff I have. I took a lot of ibuprofen and stuff and it just damaged my gut, man. It just tore it up, man.

Justin Wright: It’s not good. But that has cleared up and my neck pain has cleared up. I have more patience, I feel like I’m way more productive. I’m worried about tolerance. So family life, this is something that I did notice and also, Oh, he just smoked a bowl or vaped a bowl, he’s going to be lazy. That’s not true. I do a 72 hour fast each month and I just use CBD.

Chris Holified: I tried, I remember reading that when you submitted to come on the podcast, I should be doing something like this. So how do you? Do you just pick three days you take off?

Justin Wright: Yeah. Cascadia Blooms, that’s the company. I have to be careful, I’ve tried different CBD products and nothing really ever to be honest with you, I don’t feel a thing with CBD, but Cascadia Bloom gives you actual nugs, like actual flowers of sour space, candy, or Hawaiian haze or whatever. And when you vape that CBD flower, you actually, I call it diet weed because it lasts for about 15 minutes to 30 minutes, if you’re lucky. And then the pain’s right back there. So for the 72 hours, man, I am probably having quite a few bowls a day of CBD.

Tim Pickett: Do you find that you lower your tolerance at the time or are you able to really just stay at the same use that you were before?

Justin Wright: I think the tolerance is slowly, still building up. I think if I took, because I’ve been using cannabis now every day for a year. So I think when I first had a couple of puffs, I felt like Towelie from South Park. Oh man, where am I?

Chris Holified: If that felt like Towelie from South Park then you were good.

Justin Wright: But now I have 0.1 grams and it’s like, I’m very relaxed. I’m not in pain, but it’s not like I got that heady, pink eye, I have no idea what’s going on kind of.

Tim Pickett: We talk about this once in a while, but this is important for people to understand that you need some tolerance or else you don’t function. If you’re going to be a chronic cannabis user, which is okay, because we have chronic pain, then you have to build up enough tolerance to support the habit. To be able to function with the therapy.

Justin Wright: I think it took about six months. I used to only have to be able to take one or two puffs. And then at that time I just had a mighty and so I’d have to quickly empty the chamber out otherwise it’s just going to bake your herb. But going back to the CBD thing, I would notice that I’d get nothing done at night. So for that 72 hour fast, you think, Oh, I might not because sometimes you still get caught off guard and you’ll get couch locked. And that’s just the name of the game I call it. And it’s not that bad. I just play Smash Bros with my son.

Tim Pickett: Or you become a really good listener.

Justin Wright: Yes. Oh my gosh. I feel like I listened to my kid so much better now because let’s face it. I’m 39, he’s 10. There’s not much you can have in-depth conversation with a ten-year-old. But when I’m using marijuana and he’s talking about Steve and Minecraft, I’m all there.

Chris Holified: This is the most exciting thing ever.

Tim Pickett: You’re saying all the things I’m thinking when I’m in my house.

Justin Wright: Yeah. But on the CBD fast, I’m doing everything I can not to get irritated because I do know that while they say there is no long-term or bad effects with marijuana when I’m off, it seems like I am a little bit more irritable, but that’s about it. I’m not going through withdrawals. It’s not like, Oh man, I got to take a hit. It’s more like, I really love cheeseburgers and I would like a cheeseburger right now, but there’s none at home so what if? I don’t get anything done. I’m on the neck roller every night when I’m not on marijuana.

Chris Holified: So why do you take a break then? Why not just keep going and just build that tolerance up?

Justin Wright: Well, one thing is, Dr. Anden’s, what do you call the doctor that’s the assistant to the doctor? I forgot what…

Tim Pickett: Careful here. Careful, that’s me. It’s the PA.

Justin Wright: Oh, I’m so sorry. I’m bad with —

Chris Holified: No, you’re going to give this guy a heart attack. He’s like, shit.

Tim Pickett: You’re totally fine. So she has a PA who works with her up at our clinic now? And she’s great?

Justin Wright: Yes.

Tim Pickett: And she uses Dr. Sulak from healer.com. They have a lot and I know Corey quite well. They have a tolerance breaking program, that Dr. Sulak teaches in his healer.com course. And it’s, take two days off, then start low. And she also has a really great staff up there in her office.

Justin Wright: So I was doing a week before I went back for my six month evaluation and she’s like, don’t do a week. You’re just going to be torturing yourself.

Tim Pickett: Yeah, a week is a little too far.

Justin Wright: They said 48 hours is good. But then she said, if you can get 72 in, it’s exponentially different. And I do notice a difference. So after the 72 hours, it’s like, I just need a small bowl for my Dynavap and I am good. But then the next day, we’re kind of getting back into.

Tim Pickett: Yeah. You build up a tolerance to the side effects pretty quick, especially because you’ve had all of this. All of the receptors in your body, they’re all jive and they’re ready to go. They know exactly what you’re giving them. And so, this is a great conversation because 72 hours a month is probably ideal. I don’t think most people could do that. In your situation where you have a real chronic pain issue and you need the THC to feel better.

Justin Wright: Sometimes just between you and me, my wife will be like, why don’t you just do 48 hours or 24 hours.

Chris Holified: She’s getting a motel room for those 72 hours.

Tim Pickett: Sulak, he talks about 48 hours and then starting back in, but really that’s only once. We talk in my clinics about once a quarter. Doing 48 hours fasting and then starting back with low doses to try to reevaluate what your therapeutic dose would be. But everybody does it a little different and simplifying it to 72 hours sounds like, I mean, it’s ideal. It’s pretty cool. You do get most of the benefit over the first 48 as far as the receptor activity.

Justin Wright: I would agree with you because sometimes I can’t make it to 72.

Tim Pickett: And then you can kind of go back and you can use the same amount. I find it really interesting that you’ve been doing this here. In other states, they call it THC creep where you increase your THC levels, the intake over time. And it’s multiple factors, the access to the dispensaries, your use. You’re just going to tend to use more.

Chris Holified: Once you’re sitting there.

Tim Pickett: Yeah, once you’re sitting there, one more hit. I’m not doing anything this afternoon, so maybe a couple more hits.

Justin Wright: Then you have to ask yourself the question, am I using it for medicine? Or I’m using it for recreational and I’m guilty. It’s tempting. There’s times where you’re like, Oh man, it’s Friday evening. I’ll take my medicine before bed, but then you stay up till whatever watching Netflix and then it wears off and you’re like, I guess I need to take some more.

Tim Pickett: And we choose strains based on not just pain control, but what you get from the plant. That experience, don’t we?

Chris Holified: Sure.

Justin Wright: Yes.

Tim Pickett: You were talking about strains, your favorite strains. And you’re like, Oh.

Justin Wright: Yeah. I go on Hytiva all the time. And I’ll find out what’s so special about this strain. And it’s exciting. I just tried one called lime marshmallow. And for once in my life I love that strain because it actually decreases my hunger. I don’t get the munchies with that one. And I can’t tell you the worst is the munchies. That’s the worst side effect of all.

Tim Pickett: Really? You’re a super skinny guy.

Justin Wright: Yeah. But I exercise like a beast. And plus with taking cannabis, it’s allowed me to do sports that I couldn’t use to be able to do. So I’m back into skateboarding and snowboarding and running.

Tim Pickett: Did you run a lot without cannabis?

Justin Wright: Off and on, but there’s times where I just couldn’t hack it. It was just like pounding into the pressure in my neck and my eyes. And I was just like, no, thank you.

Tim Pickett: Do you run now? Do you use cannabis when you run?

Justin Wright: Yes. I find that not only does it help with my neck, but I used to get runner’s knee where it might make pain, which just throb in my left knee. I have not had that for a year.

Chris Holified: That’s awesome.

Justin Wright: So take that as you wish.

Tim Pickett: Cannabis is a sports enhancing medication. When it comes to runners, especially right?

Chris Holified: Lifting weights too is nice. Before you go lift a little weight, boom.

Justin Wright: And it just puts you in the zone.

Tim Pickett: Right. You’re concentrating on what’s going on.

Justin Wright: Oh yeah.

Tim Pickett: You’re a little thirsty. So you’re a little bit more hydrated when you run, which is nice.

Chris Holified: Tell us about this blog you do. You started this blog, which is really cool. I haven’t had a lot of chance to read everything on there, but I think it’s cool that you started this.

Justin Wright: That’s okay. So back in Utah County, I really couldn’t talk to anybody. And when you take cannabis, I get kind of rambly. If you notice, when I filled out your form, it was just like.

Chris Holified: It was great though man. Because it gives us information to work with.

Justin Wright: Oh, cool. My wife’s like, why don’t you start a blog and so I did. I’m not really good at making movies or editing that kind of stuff. And I know people don’t really read blogs that much anymore, but it gave me an outlet. And so it was very healthy during COVID too. And so I started blogging my whole entire experience. And then I started getting into blogging about the different strains. And I think I’m going to take that blog and try to turn it into an online comic with me in a kind of a fictional setting, because I also like to draw. I’m a software developer by nature, but I have this passion for the arts. And so I think it’s a healthy outlet because there’s not that many people to talk about the wonders of cannabis with.

Chris Holified: I could imagine, I’ve actually had this discussion with my wife because my wife’s the same way. She’s like, I want to connect with all these people but it’s hard because you can’t really just go out onto your public Facebook and just blast it out because you know, I mean, you can’t.

Tim Pickett: We all essentially live in Utah County.

Chris Holified: I don’t think any state. I think any state you’re going to run into the same problem. I mean, even in California where it’s full adult recreational, I’m sure you’re still going to get into a little bit of problems of going online, but you want to find your tribe. You want to find your people that you can talk with that are dealing with this stuff that you’re dealing with. Had people reached out to you at all?

Justin Wright: I’ve had three people reach out to me and ask, how did I get started? This was at the very beginning, since then, not so much. But it was really great to interact with those people. Some of them had actual yes, I have chronic pain. And I know that almost sometimes people say that’s a cop-out symptom to use with this, but hearing some other people’s life stories was very humbling. And I was like, Oh man, cannabis can totally help these people.

Chris Holified: Sure. But do you want to get on the highest mountain and tell everybody about it? You’re like, I should and then you’re like, I can’t, and it’s the worst.

Justin Wright: That’s why to be invited on this podcast was such a dream come true. I get to talk with two cool guys about cannabis for once in this, it’s therapy.

Tim Pickett: You’ve been listening to the podcast too for a while, right?

Justin Wright: Yeah.

Tim Pickett: How did you find it? How did you find the podcast?

Justin Wright: How did I find the podcast? I was honestly just, my Instagram feed for my blog is just filled with all kinds of different cannabis, whatever. And I think it just popped up on my home screen one day, Utah in the Weeds. I’m like, that’s got to be cannabis. And so I clicked on it and I found out it’s a podcast and then I searched and then I found out I was looking so I subscribed to it on Google’s podcasts. And then I saw the one that you guys interviewed Dr. Anden. I’m like, I got to listen to that. And then I was hooked. And so, yeah. And then you also did I think Cole Fullmer, Salt Baked City. And there’s a few other, there was another patient that you were talking to and he was experimenting with CBD.

Chris Holified: His name was Zack. Was it Zach King?

Justin Wright: Yeah.

Chris Holified: He’s in a little bit mixing and all that.

Tim Pickett: I’m always fascinated when people do this because we talk about it all the time in clinic with patients and how you can really get into experimenting, but we tend to spend a lot of time just on the basics. How to find a dose, how to build up a tolerance frankly, is a big discussion.

Chris Holified: Yeah, people use it and then they forget. They’re like you in high school, you just don’t have a good experience, get a little paranoid. You don’t feel good. You’re dizzy.

Justin Wright: First, you don’t know that cannabis was coming from.

Chris Holified: Part is a lot of the black market stuff. I mean, it could be mold. It could be, you don’t know what the —

Tim Pickett: It could have pesticides.

Chris Holified: And that causes, I mean, you were mentioning, GI problems. Mold and stuff like that can cause a lot of stuff for people because I deal with a lot of the same stuff. Can we talk a little bit about the software you develop? What’s your job like?

Justin Wright: Oh yeah. We can talk about that. So, I’ve done everything from e-commerce to health apps. Currently, I work for an HR company and so I’m kind of in charge of the timekeeping software. And while that sounds really boring, it’s actually really fun. Every day I get to wake up in place like homes and try to solve another problem within the code. And so I’m very careful to obey my work policies and the programmers work more than eight hours a day. And I find in the night times when I’m clocked out of work, I will be using cannabis at that point. And I find, I have such a higher focus on the code. I’ve been doing this now for a long time, so it’s easy to get burned out and you’re just like going through the motions and you don’t want to do it. And then you’re looking at Facebook or something like that. But when I’m on the cannabis, it’s just kind of like, I’m listening to good music and I’m just zoned in. And so I find that that helps me when I have to work over time.

Tim Pickett: Did you find that you have to find strains that work for that?

Justin Wright: Yes.

Tim Pickett: It seems to me some strains just make me stupid.

Justin Wright: Yes. You have to be very careful. So White 99 is a really good one for me to stay focused on work. But if I took something like, I had this one very powerful strain, I think it was Wookie. I got Wookie and that one made me really just, I was couch locked and then I had another one called Black Flag. And that one just sedated me. So you have to be very careful with your strains.

Tim Pickett: We talked bout this earlier, buying a little bit. Buying an eighth, buying three and a half grams trying it out. Don’t go buy an ounce.

Justin Wright: No. And you know what? There’s so many strains to go around. I would encourage people just to buy one ounce in one eighth jars. That’s what I do. Because every jar is a new prize.

Chris Holified: I like this guy.

Tim Pickett: I do too.

Chris Holified: It has a little toy inside.

Tim Pickett: It’s like, Oh, it’s like Christmas.

Justin Wright: And then the other thing I would encourage people because I have a friend that he says, he’s very pro combustion. And while that is kind of illegal in Utah, it’s kind of still the de facto people like, Oh, you smoke pot for medicine. They don’t think there’s any other way to take it. But with vaping, man, you can get so many flavor extractions. And so that’s the other fun thing with just buying in one eighth, this one tastes like bubblegum. This one tastes like blueberries. And so it’s kind of like Willy Wonka’s magical factory.

Chris Holified: So your family supportive of it? And what about your friends and stuff like that? They’re pretty supportive too or have you found it kind of causing problems with anybody?

Justin Wright: There’s a few of my friends that know that I use it, but for the most part it’s mom’s the word.

Chris Holified: Yeah, mom’s the word. I get you.

Tim Pickett: And you’ve got a young child.

Justin Wright: He’s 10. And he is kind of funny. He’ll go to school. And I think he’s almost at the age where they start doing the dare programs and stuff. And I’m like, don’t say anything.

Tim Pickett: I know, we have the same conversation at my house too. We thread a needle, I feel like, especially in this state even, maybe everybody does with the, what to say what to do around the kids, what to include them on and what not to. And that’s new charted territory. Do you feel like you’re —

Justin Wright: Yes.

Tim Pickett: There is no book, there’s no norm for what to include kids on and what not to.

Justin Wright: No. And I ask myself, what is my son going to think when he is a teenager and he knows that his dad is basically a pot head or a chronic user of cannabis, to say it nicely.

Tim Pickett: But that’s the truth. I mean we use, and you say pothead, but Chris and I we’ll use whatever term you want. You want to call it weed, pot, cannabis. It doesn’t really matter.

Justin Wright: I think you got to embrace culture.

Tim Pickett: Totally. And you’ve got to be more inclusive, but I get the same thing. I’ve got a high schooler and I wonder when, I don’t think she’s been to a party yet, especially with COVID that there’s been cannabis there, but it’s coming.

Chris Holified: And I’m sure it’ll be placed in a different light at that party.

Tim Pickett: Exactly.

Chris Holified: Because it’s more of the recreation. It’s more of that.

Tim Pickett: Sure. And it’s illegal for them to have it and it would be illegal for her to try it at the time.

Justin Wright: Do you think she would be tempted to try it? You think she’s like, I know what this stuff is. I see my dad use it all the time. This is something I don’t need to.

Tim Pickett: So interestingly in my house, I don’t show my children that I use in that way. I don’t know why, I’ve been struggling with this for a year.

Justin Wright: I didn’t know if that’s illegal or not.

Tim Pickett: No, it’s not illegal to use.

Justin Wright: Because I thought using it in front of a minor is illegal.

Chris Holified: I don’t know.

Tim Pickett: Definitely, it would be at least a gray area. We need to ask JD about that. That’s a good.

Chris Holified: Let us know JD, if you’re listening.

Tim Pickett: JD, text me, will you?

Justin Wright: I’ve tried to basically use it only in my work den. And I’ll just say, I’m going to go take my medicine, but he has busted in several times. And he’s like, dad, you got to check out this. I downloaded this off of this. And I’m like, Oh no, you’re downloading stuff on the computer.

Tim Pickett: My kids did the same thing, they’re like, dad, well, what time do you want to go? Go at 420, dad. I get these gifts once in a while. I got a mug with a wake and bake mug and it’s got a little bowl and you could actually use it.

Chris Holified: I got that same mug.

Tim Pickett: Did you use the purple?

Chris Holified: Mine’s green. And my kids are like, ah, ha ha. That’s just so funny. I have some matter horn CBG flower in my office. And it’s such a weird, I don’t know. It’s weird to me.

Tim Pickett: It’s normal, right?

Chris Holified: It’s not normal to me because we didn’t grow up like that. But at the same time, I know people who are totally open. They got jars of weed on the counter with their kids around and that’s normal to them.

Justin Wright: It’s still kind of like gray area. I don’t want to cross that line where all of a sudden child services is knocking on my door or something.

Chris Holified: I think a lot of people don’t realize. When I first started using cannabis 20 years ago, I was using it more out in the open with my buddies and stuff because they did. I didn’t know we weren’t supposed to. You hear, Oh, you’re not supposed to it’s against the law, but you also hear, you’re not supposed to go through a red light and you do once in a while. So I just thought, Oh, I’m with my buddies and can smoke a joint. And we would just be out at a concert or we would be out for a drive. I didn’t think, and I’ve run into people nowadays that are the same way. They’re just like, I didn’t realize there was that many consequences with cannabis.

Tim Pickett: We’ve got to get a little bit more educated, it sounds like all of us on the legalities. On the other hand, legal issues aside, it’s still just a weird space.

Chris Holified: I have a liquor cabinet. I have cannabis in the house. You know what, where do I fit? You can mix a drink in front of your four year old.

Justin Wright: When I was a kid, I had a friend growing up and his mom would drink beer in front of us all the time. It’s like, so what’s the difference with using a plant?

Tim Pickett: This is the exact conversation we have at our house because we all — I’ll have a mixed drink at my house in front of my children. I don’t think that’s wrong.

Chris Holified: Nobody even thinks anything of it.

Tim Pickett: Yeah. Nobody thinks anything of it. My kids know you’re not old enough to drink. You can’t try it. You can’t touch it.

Justin Wright: I told my kid, I said, I have a purpose to be using this plant. I am above the age of 21 and therefore I’m legal to use it. You can’t use this stuff. And he’s like, I don’t want your stinks.

Tim Pickett: But see, there’s a great conversation. Guns in the house, alcohol in the house, cannabis in the house, teaching your children about it, about what’s right, what’s wrong, why you use it? Normalizing it, de-stigmatize it.

Justin Wright: Yeah. He doesn’t think it’s some taboo anymore. He actually thinks that’s what makes my dad cool. He’s no longer angry dad, he’s cool.

Chris Holified: Do you ever worry though? One thing I worry about with kids is if they would say, tell their friends, my parents use marijuana and then their parents finding and then maybe the kids would be ostracized and kind of like, Oh, they got bad parents. I don’t want my kids to associate with these kids.

Tim Pickett: We’re going to get to that. We’re going to get to them because I mean, already we live in Utah, where if you drink —

Chris Holified: I run into that issue. We run into that already.

Justin Wright: My kids can’t play with your kids because my you drink.

Tim Pickett: Well, you’ve got alcohol in the house. I mean, if they knew that I had liquor in the cabinet, I’m sure there’d be some people who wouldn’t want their kids to come over.

Justin Wright: Luckily I haven’t really crossed that road because of COVID. Everyone’s kind of like whatever. But that is something that concerns me, what happens with that?

Tim Pickett: I know we’re headed in the right direction though. Think about 10 years ago, you wouldn’t have had these conversations with your kids. And now my kids know it’s a legitimate medicine. We use it for a bunch of different stuff, they understand. They’ll find something in the house and they’re like, Oh, here dad, here’s the battery.

Justin Wright: Yeah. The only thing that I have concerns with is, what happens when my kid is old enough, I’m not home and he brings his friends home and they find the weed. Am I the one that’s legally accountable for that?

Tim Pickett: Probably.

Justin Wright: Probably. So I’m thinking I probably need to get a safe.

Tim Pickett: Safe, lockable bags, keep it away from everybody. Do not have too much too.

Chris Holified: A lot of the — I know you sell them here. Do you still sell them here?

Tim Pickett: Yeah, we sell a ton of them, a lockable skunk bag. It’s a carbon lined bag. So it doesn’t smell, you put flower in it, anything. And it’s got a simple luggage lock. Now, you hit it with a hammer, it’s going to come open. But just having it in the lock.

Chris Holified: Just in the lock and then you can even put in something a little more secure if you want.

Justin Wright: Well, this way, if someone does break it in, you can at least say, look, I did my due diligence to make sure.

Tim Pickett: And that’s what we try to encourage people, don’t have a ton around and have it in a locked container. This is where the medicine resides in the house. Then all the kids know. That’s the medicine bag.

Justin Wright: I still think that it’s sad that we have to do that when grandma’s opioids are in the medicine cabinet.

Chris Holified: You should be locking those up too. I mean, shoot. I knew kids back in the day that used to raid people’s medicine cabinets and take the good stuff.

Tim Pickett: Every time they’d go to anybody’s house, they were always stealing pills.

Chris Holified: What would you tell somebody, let’s say somebody’s listening and they’re kind of on the fence of getting their medical card, right? They’re like, should I get my medical card? Should I call Tim up and get my card? They’re nervous so maybe, would you give them any words of advice? What would you tell them?

Justin Wright: That is such a good question. Yeah, because when I first had the conversations with my wife, she was crying. Because she’s from Japan and marijuana is called timeout there and it’s way illegal, way stricter than here. And so she was like, why would you want to do something like that? And so eventually, I think everyone has to come to a crossroads to say, where am I going to go? Because current traditional Western medicine, isn’t cutting it for me. So what do you have to lose if you follow by the rules? Cannabis, I think can be a wonderful medicine. And I’d say give it a try. I probably quote Chong from Cheech & Chong to say, “I now look at medicines and I think that’s a drug, and I look at my plant and I say, that’s my medicine.” I’d say give it a try. I don’t think it’s for everybody. But I think you’d be doing yourself the biggest favor by saying, yeah, let’s go try it out at least once to see if this helps me with my problem.

Tim Pickett: Well said.

Chris Holified: Oh yeah. I’m glad I asked. Do you have any favorite off the top of your head? I know we didn’t ask this before you came in. So if you don’t have anything, that’s fine. But do you have any websites that you like to go to that you like to educate yourself with? Because you sound you’ve really educated yourself and learning about it. Any recommendations off the top of your head that you would tell somebody to go to?

Justin Wright: Let me answer that question. The websites that I go to on a daily basis would be, Leafly, and Hytiva, but then I also will scour medical journals. I got my master’s in instructional design and technology. And the only thing I learned from that school was actually how to read pure reviewed journals.

Chris Holified: That’s awesome.

Tim Pickett: It’s a skill not a lot of people have.

Justin Wright: I’ve been researching terpenoids, terpenes and cannabinoids because I always had an interest in the tolerance. So I’ve been scouring those sites, but I think for the day to day generals, the best source to go to is there is a book called The Medical Cannabis Guide. And I can’t remember the author. She’s a doctor who was actually on I think, don’t quote me on this because I was probably medicated when reading this, but I think she was from California. And she worked for the law, the department of justice busting druggies. And she had no mercy for cannabis users and her whole entire perspective got turned around and she wrote this incredible book and it talks about the history back in 1937, getting the medical cannabis tax and how a nylon was coming out. And they were afraid that that like cannabis, hemp was going to destroy their industry.

Justin Wright: So basically she explains the whole history, how government and money is what basically made cannabis illegal. And then she goes on with the medical benefits and she says, this state has for these reasons and these reasons. Utah’s, I feel bad for Utah because the amount of criteria to be accepted as a cannabis user is so small, but she talks about all these other problems, conditions that it can truly help with. And the only reason why the medical field moved away, I think it was, was his name. Dr. Woodward? In 1944, he went on record and said, the only reason why they moved away from cannabis is it’s so hard to prescribe the right amount, and pills kind of made that easy. So yeah, that book right there, if you really want to get educated, that’s a good read.

Chris Holified: Do you ever see yourself doing something more with the cannabis industry? You’re in the software industry.

Justin Wright: I remember when Dragonfly Wellness said they were hiring and I went and I looked to see what they were hiring for and they didn’t have anything open for software, but I sent my resume anyway. I’m like, dude, I would love to work on your website, but I never heard back. If the opportunity rose, it would be a dream.

Chris Holified: I think that would be that way for all of us and Tim lucked out and he started this whole thing.

Justin Wright: Yeah, man, you guys are living the dream. That’s a cool t-shirt by the way.

Tim Pickett: Oh, yeah. This is a, healthcare to buzz about, t-shirt the Utahmarijuana.org t-shirt. It’s super cool. It’s got a couple of bees and the THC molecule what looks like a honeycomb. This has been awesome.

Chris Holified: I appreciate you doing the podcast with us. Do you have any other questions for us? I know we covered a lot of what you’re probably involved with cannabis. Is there anything that you were hoping we would talk about that we haven’t had a chance to talk about?

Justin Wright: As just the patient of Utah, there’s not a whole lot of in depth detail I can provide about the industry and where it’s going.

Chris Holified: But your use, what you shared was awesome because I think people listening might be able to relate a little bit with it. That’s what I’m hoping.

Tim Pickett: Yeah, I think so. I mean, you come across to somebody who is really knowledgeable about cannabis use, but very careful about the use, about having it in the house, talking about tolerance.

Chris Holified: You don’t find that.

Tim Pickett: You really don’t find a lot of people. A lot of people are concerned about tolerance and building up too much of a tolerance, but we don’t talk about it enough.

Justin Wright: No we don’t. And thank you for saying that. Like I said, advice for anybody getting into this, educate yourself, I did. I wanted to make sure that it was going to be right for me. And is it really just some fake medicine or was it really going to do something for me? So I spent a lot of time before I got into this. For two months I was just reading up on everything.

Tim Pickett: That’s really cool.

Chris Holified: And I tell people, Hey, what’s the worst. Try it. If it doesn’t work, you don’t have to do it no more. No one’s going to make you keep doing it.

Tim Pickett: Not at all.

Justin Wright: The only question I had for you guys is, what’s your preferred way to ingest cannabis?

Chris Holified: Well, my preferred way is burning it, combustion but obviously in Utah, that doesn’t work. So I use a volcano personally right now. That’s what I have.

Justin Wright: Do you use the bags with that?

Chris Holified: Yeah, that’s actually what I was making some phone calls in between this last interview I was trying to, it’s tough to find them. I need some replaceable. And so if anybody listening, let me know if you know where to get some because maybe I still haven’t gotten any by the time you’re listening to this. So, that’s what I use. Because I am just at home. I know people get the portable vape things and all that.

Justin Wright: Volcano has been around for a long time. That’s a good one.

Tim Pickett: Yeah, for me, I’m somebody who likes different thing for different times, different places, different events.

Chris Holified: You even got this PAX 3.

Tim Pickett: The PAX 3, I really like that. And yet the Firefly, the taste is a little better with the Firefly. So there’s places and times I like that. I’ll be honest, there is a time and place I think a good old joint could be the thing. But like you, strains, I go back to this tomato discussion all the time. I like all kinds of different tomatoes. Grape tomatoes are good on salads and heirloom, thick, cut garden fresh tomatoes are good on sandwiches. And so to me, it’s the variety and using cannabis as medicine, not every day. I don’t have a headache every day. I don’t have the same thing going on every day. So that’s the beauty, is I can use it for different things at different times and I can be creative about it too. It gives me more control frankly than just a typical prescription medication. So there’s the answer for me.

Justin Wright: Cool. The only other thing that I had was have you guys ever recycled your AVB?

Chris Holified: Oh yeah. Well, my wife’s really big into edibles. We actually got the Levo II. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that. I don’t understand all the logistics she does. it extracts it and makes it an oil and all this and that.

Justin Wright: You can make gummies.

Chris Holified: Yeah. She’s making gummies and all that. And so she uses the AVB or what do you call it? ABV, already been vaped. She uses that and then she will actually even make some, even she’s made lotions with it man. And cream.

Justin Wright: What is this thing called?

Chris Holified: Levo. L-E-V-O. And then the II. If you get the Levo II, the first one, from what I understand, didn’t decarb the flower, the second one does.

Justin Wright: Now, if you already have it decarb, like AVB you don’t need to.

Chris Holified: Well, you wouldn’t need to do that, but obviously it might not just be all that high in THC, obviously, if you’ve vaped most of the THC or anything like that.

Tim Pickett: Becomes a little more CBN, different stuff, but I’ve got patients who just eat it.

Chris Holified: Yeah. My wife will do that. She’ll throw it on bread.

Justin Wright: Oh, that way. I thought, man, like plain. I have a jar of ABV. I didn’t know if they were just dipping their fingers.

Tim Pickett: Yeah. They’ll get a pinch and put it on something and eat it. And yeah, it doesn’t taste that good.

Justin Wright: Does that absorb? I thought there was a science with extracting it that you had to get.

Tim Pickett: No, because it’s already decarbed because it’s already been vaped. So it’s anything over 250 degrees or 300 degrees. I think it’s 300. Anything over that, you’ve got an activated plant. So it is in this sense. It is an edible.

Justin Wright: Dude, I got to look into this Levo II because I made some MCT oil with my AVB, but I looked up a recipe how to make the Haribo gummies. And I ordered like this gummy bear mold on Amazon, I’m going to make some gummies, but you can’t do that with MCT oil.

Chris Holified: Looking at Levo, it’s 200 bucks. It’s not cheap, but it’s not like crazy.

Justin Wright: No, but that’s an investment. Because if you can recycle that because buying gummies and edibles and tinctures is expensive as.

Chris Holified: Or she will go at the pharmacy and get some flower and then extract it and it will go so much further because she puts them in tinctures.

Tim Pickett: There’s some calculators online too. You’ll be able to measure how much, what the percentage THC is in your flower and how much oil you’re using. And then it will give you a pretty good breakdown of how much THC per milliliter is in your oil.

Justin Wright: No way.

Tim Pickett: Yeah. There’s some pretty good calculators online.

Justin Wright: I would still want to do that. But the only thing that I would look at is, I would look at that flower and say, Oh man, you’re just cooking that in the oven. I could be like, baby —

Tim Pickett: I know, yeah.

Chris Holified: There’s some Facebook groups too on Levo. Levo has some Facebook groups, if you’re on Facebook, go join those in some of the other people that have used it.

Justin Wright: I’ll have to do that.

Tim Pickett: And as you get the different types of flower, that’ll be available here and the price will come down a little bit on a few things.

Justin Wright: That is really.

Chris Holified: And she’s infused oils just for cooking, non-cannabis related, she’s doing that. My wife’s, she’s gotten into all this natural stuff all of a sudden.

Justin Wright: That’s cool. Cool.

Chris Holified: So let’s talk about how can people connect with you, man, if people want to reach out.

Justin Wright: If want to reach out the best way to reach out to me is on Instagram— @beehivechronic, is my username.

Chris Holified: Beehive chronic. And beehivehronic.com, is your blog?

Justin Wright: Beehivechronic.com is my blog. I’m going to be revamping that to almost be kind of a blog/online comic, because I feel like to be able to draw and illustrate some of the things that I have seen positive with cannabis, I’m kind of looking forward to sharing my experiences that way. Look for 2021 to see that. I’m trying to drop a new comic strip on Instagram every Friday. So we’ll see what turns out. To me, I’m just doing it for fun. And it’s just kind of my outlet to share my positive experience with everybody else about medical cannabis.

Chris Holified: I wish every patient would do this. Do you journal at all too? Do you write a hand journal with your experiences with cannabis?

Justin Wright: No, because my handwriting sucks so bad, so that’s why I did the blog.

Tim Pickett: At least you’re doing something. I think everybody should journal their cannabis experiences.

Justin Wright: Yeah, everybody should.

Tim Pickett: I get a lot more from journaling.

Chris Holified: I’ve noticed that since I have.

Justin Wright: The other reason that I wanted to do that, it was, I believe Dr. Anden was saying, they’re looking for more statistics of how it’s helping people in Utah, because I feel like the government was kind of a little hesitant about that. So I figured if I can.

Tim Pickett: And they still are adding conditions and subtracting conditions. They always talk about subtracting.

Justin Wright: Are they subtraction chronic pain?

Tim Pickett: No, they will never subtract chronic pain. But there’s been talk about subtracting PTSD because of the evidence.

Justin Wright: I’m sorry to hear that.

Chris Holified: And what would they do? Just say, Oh, sorry. If that’s what you qualified for you just can’t have part anymore or would they be grandfathered in?

Tim Pickett: I don’t know what they would do?

Justin Wright: I’m a firm believer that cannabis can totally help. Especially our service men in the army. They need something because.

Chris Holified: It’s the least we can give them, come on.

Tim Pickett: Absolutely. I mean, they’re sleeping without cots at the Capitol.

Justin Wright: That’s something.

Chris Holified: How can people get ahold of you, Tim? As we wrap this episode up.

Tim Pickett: Utahmarijuana.org and the podcast will be up there at Utahmarijuana.org/podcast. You can look for us there, chat with us online. If you would need help finding a way to become a patient, Justin mentioned Dr. Anden, great provider in Ogden. We are also in Ogden and here in Millcreek and across the street from Beehive pharmacy. How about you, Chris?

Chris Holified: You can listen to my other podcast. I am Salt Lake Podcast. Iamsaltlake.com. We’ve got a new episode, goes up there every week. So go find out about some of these awesome people in Salt Lake city that we’ve chatted with. Also call our voicemail lineup, (385) 215-9557. This is our THC hotline. We should name it something.

Tim Pickett: THC hotline.

Chris Holified: The cannabis hotline. No, I mean, this is something for you to call if you have questions about cannabis, if you have questions about getting your card even, if you have questions for Tim. We can maybe answer them on the podcast.

Tim Pickett: Absolutely.

Chris Holified: Questions for myself or possible future guests and make sure you subscribe whatever outlet you’re in, that way you get all these episodes right to your phone, right when they get released because we have a brand new one goes… I don’t know if you know this, Tim, they go live every Friday morning at 4:20. I figured out how to get it to go live at 4:20 AM. So that’s when they go live in the podcast feeds, 4:20 AM on Friday morning.

Tim Pickett: That’s awesome.

Chris Holified: You’ll get it right there. So subscribe and we’ll see you next week on the next episode of a Utah in the Weeds, right?

Justin Wright: Yep. All right, everybody stay safe out there. Thank you for having me.

Chris Holified: Awesome. Thanks, Justin.

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